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Noise and safety top turbine meeting agenda

9:26am Tuesday 8th July 2008

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By Ben Barnett »

Emotions were running high at a public meeting to discuss a planning application for a 400ft wind turbine in Tong.

Representatives from Princes Food, who want to build the £2m structure at the drinks factory in Weaverthorpe Road, turned out for a public meeting at the Gateway Centre last night to answer questions from an audience of around 200 residents.

Alongside them were planning officers from Bradford Council. Planners said they had received 500 letters expressing reactions to the plans.

At a lively meeting in which the Princes contingent were often heckled and saw one couple walk out, objections centred around increased noise and health and safety issues.

Paul Jackson, general manager of the Princes plant, said the turbine would reduce the firm’s energy costs.

He said: “We need to be as competitive as we can in what can be a very aggressive and competitive market.

“We are here to work with the local authority and follow their guidelines and procedures.”

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Some objectors accused the firm of dismissing the concerns of the residents.

Mr Jackson said: “I hope a major employer is not seen as a major inconvenience. We have been and are very proud of our footprint in the area and we are a big employer in the area.”

Council planners are waiting for a report by the Environmental Health department before a decision can be reached on the application.


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albion, west riding says...
11:30am Tue 8 Jul 08

OK readers who attended, tell us what really happened.

cougar, Westgate Hill says...
11:58am Tue 8 Jul 08

Princes made it crystal clear that they had no intention of taking into account what their neighbours thought of them or their plans, and that as long as they acted legaly they were going to place their own profitability ahead of the quality of life of their neighbours.

It was also clear that the councils planning department had no idea of how to handle the technical complexities of such an application and were relying on under informed in house departments to tell them what to do.
One family with two autistic children will face a life of terror from the turbine or have to move home, Princes just didn't care.

That really sums Princes up.

tallulah, bradford says...
12:30pm Tue 8 Jul 08

here we go again, funny how no one ever moaned about the building place that is being built on tong st with more heavy traffic, lorries etc and all near a school!!

CommonMan, Shelf says...
1:36pm Tue 8 Jul 08

I don't see the problem. The alternative is for Princes to move sites and make it's workers on Tong St redundant. No doubt they would be vilified for that too!

The turbine would be an eysore, but let's face it, it's hardly going to de-value the area, is it? Tong st is an industrial road.

As for the technical aspects, the objectors seem to be basing their argument on the findings of one Belgian physician who found a tenuous link between the shadows created by the blades and epilepsy.

The only other issues are noise and vibration. Have you stood anywhere near Tong St whe the traffic is hurtling past? You wouldn't even notice the turbine!

tallulah, bradford says...
2:17pm Tue 8 Jul 08

exactly my point CommonMan

Somersault, Bradford says...
3:50pm Tue 8 Jul 08

Tallulah - Blissful ignorance must be a wonderful thing, you clearly have absolutely no understanding of the issues this turbine could potentialy raise.

tallulah, bradford says...
4:09pm Tue 8 Jul 08

Somersault wrote:
Tallulah - Blissful ignorance must be a wonderful thing, you clearly have absolutely no understanding of the issues this turbine could potentialy raise.
oh yes i do, i do live very close to where it would be, i just don't moan and criticise everything surrounding me and have more serious things to worry about in my life

cougar, Westgate Hill says...
4:17pm Tue 8 Jul 08

Reply to Common Man. No mention was made at the public meeting last night to epilepsy as it is accepted that the likleyhood of this is extremely low, as the flicker rate is below that generaly accepted to trigger off an attack.
Princes also confirmed that NO jobs were at risk at all should this application not be accepted.
Tong Street is not classified as an industrial road, it is classed as an urban road.
Other issues are noise, vibration, bats, birds, safety,planning regulatons, property values, health and others.
It is a shame you were not at the meeting to share your original views

RaikesLane, East Bierley says...
5:05pm Tue 8 Jul 08

Always interesting reading the post on this topic.
To "CommonMan" when Priness are refused this turbine should we ask them to re-locate to Shelf and then they will not have any objections to the installation of a turbine, I am sure you will welcome it with open arms.
What you probably didn't get from the meeting (probably cause you couldn't be bothered to go) was the potential risk from the underground mine workings at the site. People with experiance of vibrations from plant works in that area (namely Associated Weavers)voiced their concerns that the size of this turbine and the vibration it will cause can undermine the foundations of not only their propioerty but also that of other local residents. Princes have not done a geaological survey as this is not a requirement for planning until planning is approved (cart before the horse here I think)

People who have opposed this turbine have done intensive research (as much if not more than Princes) on the effects on local population.

The Noise issue is a major factor, however the information is provided the noise survey done was done at ground level, either within 100, 200 yards of the turbine or in the valley below the turbine (Raikes Lane, Toftshaw etc) the houses in direct line of sigt across the valley (less than half a mile away) will hear the turbine.

A question at the meeting (addresed to Bradford Planning) was if this turbine is built and it is then discovered that people are adversely affected (by whatever effect, noise, epilepsy,autism, subsidence etc) is there a means by which people can get the decision overturned, the repsonse to this was how can we say until we have proof. What was asked was "Is there a procedure available to raise the objections later"
When asked if the Health & Safety were involved the meeting was told that the turbine had nothing to do with the Health & Safety. I suppose they are right. That is until someone is seriously injured by either the Turbine or an effect of the turbine).

I'm sure lots of other people will post on this. Some will have valid points for and against, however some of the posts so far have had little relevance. If this turbine doesn't bother you then thats fine but please don't object to people who have an oppinion on something. If you are for the Turbine then I didn't hear you speak up for it at any of the meetings. Unless of course you were one of the management team from Princes.

Those of you who are in favouir of the turbine come on have your say, see what thoughtful valid points you can put forward and I am sure someone will reply.

Now theres a challange for CommonMan and tellulah


Toftshaw Bantam, Bradford says...
6:54pm Tue 8 Jul 08

The group of gentlemen from Prince's were rightly thanked by all for attending the meeting last night and being willing to face such a large but well behaved audience.
Over 40 different and valid points were raised by many local individuals ( not just a small group )including many local elderly people who also feel worried and vulnerable.
Prince's could offer few direct answers to many of the questions with a distinct lack of data, the so-called expert they have employed to represent them offered them very little help either.
Although Prince's have supported the application with a 400 plus page document there is little fact in the document and as you would expect as much spin for wind turbines as there would be from a community against.
This is now down to the Planners and Councilors of Bradford who need to take responsibility for the decisions they have to make keeping in mind they are in office to serve and protect the whole community.
The one thing I would say to all residents of Bradford, if you think you are protected, think again because observing this whole planning procedure has opened my eyes as to how hundreds of peoples lives could be affected by 1 planner and 7 councillors if they get the decision wrong.

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