What a legend!

someone will say he should be apologising to the supporters,no doubt - the losers.
there are 4 possibilities when playing football
play well & win
play crap & win
play crap & lose
play well & lose
not all supporters can be pleased at every game. As long as the players give 100% everytime & wear the claret & amber with pride (go on Bazza !!) then i'm happy.
i think the T & A should print a comparrison graph with last years progress, to see how we are doing & where we could possibly end up - ON TOP I HOPE !!!. onwards & upwards.

It's normally a good sign that you pick up 3 points when you haven't played your best - last season was so frustrating because we seemed ot play ok, but lost a lot of last minute goals. well done to the team anyway, a 3 goal comeback must be one of the greatest joys to wotness in football - just a shame I missed it.

Let's hope we're good against Darlo as it's on sky!

Woodface wrote:
What a legend!

He is a legend, but he is wrong with the comments above. To say we played okay after watching the video is a joke. We were outplayed for a chunk of the game, despite playing a team with less confidence than ourselves.

I would say that the first half was probably about 50/50, but to say Boulding could have had a hattrick is a bit hard to swallow. One of the chances was the rebound off the crossbar and at best was a half-chance. The others weren't really chances either and I never expected him to score from them.

At the start of the second half, we came out with renewed determination. However, once their 2nd goal went in, we just caved. We didn't win the first ball or the second and some players just looked out of the depth (namely Lee, McLaren & Clarke). Even when Bazza was thrown on and we went 4-3-3 and a more direct approach, we still didn;t look like scoring. That is until Bazza's brilliant piece of skill flicking on to Boulding and the finish that followed. After that goal, we looked hungry and you could see our confidence rise whilst theirs disintegrated.

However, for the 30 minutes after their 2nd goal, I felt like I was back watching City v Accrington (home) from last season. Very different from how McCall describes it!

The only thing I would say Wayne, is having watched the match once Stuart would agree with you. Having watched the match again he has changed his opinion. How many times have me and you watched the match and is it possible that if we watched it again we would change our opinion?
Alot of my despair on Saturday was bourne out of frustration.
The guy has put his hands up and apologised to the players for over reacting. The question for me is why does he need to put it in the newspaper?

Can I just add that the above is not to be read as negativity. It isn't me having a go at the players or McCall, I am just saying he is wrong to suggest we weren't as bad as we were. We were poor for 30 minutes after their 2nd goal and equal to Accrington for the first 50. However, we showed what we can do to teams in that last 10 minutes.

The comments above are spot on. Last season we played well and lost. This time we are not playing as well as we can, but we are still picking up points. All the teams in this league will have poor periods. Who would have predicted Shrews to drop points aginst NCounty or Wycombe to have to rely on a late goal just to get a point at Grimsby? These things happen in football. If it didn't and the game was played on paper, it would be boring.

tornshaunton's suggestion is good. We know we are higher than last season by getting to 19 points after just 10 games. However, to see it in a comparison graph would be interesting.

The only thing I would add is this. To date we have only played two teams in the top 8. One was a loss at Shrewsbury and the other a comprehensive win against Exeter. We have also beaten both Rochdale & Port Vale, who were expected to do well. The next couple of months are going to be very interesting as we are due to play Darlington, Wycombe & Rotherham away and home games against Gillingham, Bury & Chesterfield. This is when we will learn how much we have improved.

Still annoyed that we have to play 4 games in 10 days (5 games in the space of 14 days), starting with Gills this Saturday and finishing with Bury two weeks today (Barnet the following Saturday).

My prediction for what it's worth; we will beat Gills, lose at Darlo, draw at Grimsby, draw with Bury and win against Barnet. Will 8 points from those 5 games be enough?

i am a die hard city fan but on this time we deserved to loose but as totnshauton sed the ways you win or loose in football we were the 2nd no matter ow many times stu watched it we played well in the 1st 15 mins and the last 10 the rest was crap but lets move on 2 gilligam on sat and hope for a gd win come on lads

i am a die hard city fan but on this time we deserved to loose but as totnshauton sed the ways you win or loose in football we were the 2nd no matter ow many times stu watched it we played well in the 1st 15 mins and the last 10 the rest was crap but lets move on 2 gilligam on sat and hope for a gd win come on lads

i am a die hard city fan but on this time we deserved to loose but as totnshauton sed the ways you win or loose in football we were the 2nd no matter ow many times stu watched it we played well in the 1st 15 mins and the last 10 the rest was crap but lets move on 2 gilligam on sat and hope for a gd win come on lads

J4CKO wrote:
The only thing I would say Wayne, is having watched the match once Stuart would agree with you. Having watched the match again he has changed his opinion. How many times have me and you watched the match and is it possible that if we watched it again we would change our opinion? Alot of my despair on Saturday was bourne out of frustration. The guy has put his hands up and apologised to the players for over reacting. The question for me is why does he need to put it in the newspaper?

Very true J4CKO, especially the comments about why he went public with his apology. Maybe it had something to do with the criticism he received (on this website and others) for his lack of celebrations despite the win. The bloke gets criticised for building it up when we haven't played well and yet gets knocked (as I have done) when he tries to make out the preformance is better than it is. I suppose he can't win.

As for only having the chance of watching the game once, I am glad I did. If I was to buy the DVD, I would watch the first half and fast forward the second to the last 10 minutes. It was that poor and I am really surprised McCall doesn't agree.

tornshaunton wrote:
someone will say he should be apologising to the supporters,no doubt - the losers. there are 4 possibilities when playing football play well & win play crap & win play crap & lose play well & lose not all supporters can be pleased at every game. As long as the players give 100% everytime & wear the claret & amber with pride (go on Bazza !!) then i'm happy. i think the T & A should print a comparrison graph with last years progress, to see how we are doing & where we could possibly end up - ON TOP I HOPE !!!. onwards & upwards.

Play well and draw ?
Play crap and draw ?
what about playing ok, and winning, or drawing, or loosing ?

Stuart, Stuart....no matter what he says or does nothing will take away his leg end status......

Waynus....I just looked back at last season, we played Accrington Stanley away at a similar time of the season, we lost 3-0...we have come a long way in 12 months and the last 10 minutes are testament to that, we have players who CAN turn a game this season. I totted up the points we'd have on our form from the first ten games: 87.4....88 points got Hereford promoted last season in third place, I'd 'settle' for that, we can improve, and there will be suprises along the way as have we've seen already, but the ultimate aim of getting out of this division is within our grasp if we keep up the form we have had....and that's without hitting top gear...? CTID

Obviously I wasn't there but from what I have read from the fans about the performance of the side at Accrington, either the fans are completely wrong or Macca is.........which is it?

Waynus wrote:

J4CKO wrote: The only thing I would say Wayne, is having watched the match once Stuart would agree with you. Having watched the match again he has changed his opinion. How many times have me and you watched the match and is it possible that if we watched it again we would change our opinion? Alot of my despair on Saturday was bourne out of frustration. The guy has put his hands up and apologised to the players for over reacting. The question for me is why does he need to put it in the newspaper?

Very true J4CKO, especially the comments about why he went public with his apology. Maybe it had something to do with the criticism he received (on this website and others) for his lack of celebrations despite the win. The bloke gets criticised for building it up when we haven't played well and yet gets knocked (as I have done) when he tries to make out the preformance is better than it is. I suppose he can't win. As for only having the chance of watching the game once, I am glad I did. If I was to buy the DVD, I would watch the first half and fast forward the second to the last 10 minutes. It was that poor and I am really surprised McCall doesn't agree.

i think sm has watched the wrong game,to say we played any other than poor shows a clear lack of judgement,sm has a better footballing brain than most,i wonder if wj told him we were good?

fatbloke wrote:
Stuart, Stuart....no matter what he says or does nothing will take away his leg end status......

Fatbloke, you are asking for trouble from the poison pen pals with a comment like that. 'leg end' ? LOL

Darryl, I agree with you regarding the form to date. However, did you mean Accrington at home as apposed to away? Didn't we play them on new years day?

Does anybody know how many points, the goals scored for and against we had this time last season? Surely that IS the indication of how we have improved?

If we can finish with 88 points, I think that may be enough to win the league this time around. There are no dominant teams that will walk away with the league such as MK or Posh from last season.

Just as a side issue, whilst we are not playing very well, it took us to the end of November last season to amass 22 points. So whilst we are all a bit cheesed by the last few performances there is still plenty to be positive about.

Bantam-in-Greece wrote:
Obviously I wasn't there but from what I have read from the fans about the performance of the side at Accrington, either the fans are completely wrong or Macca is.........which is it?

the last ten mins city was awsum.. ill leave you to judge whos right or wrong. i was there on saturday and felt embarased at times the way city played, because i have seen for myself that city can play exellent football and thrash teams, but for some silly reason we struggle against teams who are below us or at the bottom of the league, and throw all the hard work out the window and plat long ball after long ball that just dosent work.. any way i hope city have learned a big lesson the last few games and start performing like at the begining of the season.......

Waynus, you're right, it was at home!! This time last season: 10 points, F10 A16, this yr: 19 points, F19 A13....and with 9 goals to his name so far, I think Peter Thorne might have made the difference thin season...? CTID

Stato, stato, stato!

Here goes guys (or gals)

P10 Pts10 GD6

Home
P5 W2 D1 L2 F4 A6

Away
P5 W1 D0 L4 F6 A10


This clearly shows we have made improvement, despite what some people think. We have nine points more for a start and have scored 19 goals (10 last season) with 13 (16) conceded. The one area of concern for me is the amount of goals being conceded. We have let in the most goals in the top 7 teams.

djmoulson wrote:
Waynus, you're right, it was at home!! This time last season: 10 points, F10 A16, this yr: 19 points, F19 A13....and with 9 goals to his name so far, I think Peter Thorne might have made the difference thin season...? CTID

Cheers Darryl. It appears we were both getting the info at the same time. Good on you.

See you on Thursday night?

lol Waynus

Jacobs is also a leg end, not quite at the heights of McCall. I am after a bite of the pair of t*ts becasue I am bored @ work...

Long live the leg ends!

Bantam-in-Greece wrote:
Obviously I wasn't there but from what I have read from the fans about the performance of the side at Accrington, either the fans are completely wrong or Macca is.........which is it?

I don't know if you normally agree with my posts or not, but my view is that we played okay (if not brilliant) in the first 50 minutes. However, after they scored their second goal, our heads went down (not dis-similar to last season when we played them at home). For 30 minutes, we were very poor. No confidence, no bite and no determination to win either the first ball or the second (apart from Furman).

That all changed the moment Conlon flicked on to Boulding. As soon as we scored, we knew we could go on to get something from the game. Our tails were up and we looked a good side again.

I am not sure what 'Lost-in-space' means when he says, "plat long ball after long ball that just dosent work". For the second successive game, it was exactly that tactic that got us something from a game that looked beyond us.

Nobody likes watching a long-ball game, but when your midfield are struggling, as we were against Luton & Accie, that tactic can change a game. That is exactly what happened. In the first half, we did play football and created chances. However, after they scored their second, we went through a phase of simply not playing any kind of football. We tried hitting it long, but kept over-hitting it. Eventually, we got it right and scored three good goals.

Wayne....yes we'll carry on this conversation on Thursday night, I'm not sure the quadruple espressos worked last week for me, I might have to move upto something stronger!!! CTID

security word 'near-hope' hahaha

What concerns me is the players have not looked up for any of the last 3 home games I have been to and it doesn't look like they were up for this one either.

At the start of the season they looked like they all wanted the ball and could not wait to get onto the pitch.

Now all the other teams seem to have far more desire to me and if we go behind we seem to stutter badly for a good 2o mins or so.

Why does it take a goal from Boulding to get the team up for the last 8 mins, why don't they play like that from the start? If they did I think we would walk this league, so come on lads lets start each game like the last 10 mins on Saturday! Effort Energy and quality we'll win every game!

Great to wake up here on Sunday morning to find a win away from home, especially after the previous couple of games. I think we'd all be happy to get three goals a game, even if we played poor. A wins a win, top up the points at the end of the season when we scrape second place by a point or two, then we'll know how important this win was. It could have got City promoted regardless of the performance. Lets hope so....

"role-miss" mmmmmmmm

It takes a big man to say sorry, Stuart has shown good man-management skills by apologising in public on another quiet Tuesday.

I'm over for the Barnet game so I hope things improve dramatically at VP for then!
Also hope we are at home in the FA Cup 1st Round so I can take that in too before heading back home to Greece.
ps thanks, lost-in-space for your comments/info.

Waynus wrote:
Can I just add that the above is not to be read as negativity. It isn't me having a go at the players or McCall, I am just saying he is wrong to suggest we weren't as bad as we were. We were poor for 30 minutes after their 2nd goal and equal to Accrington for the first 50. However, we showed what we can do to teams in that last 10 minutes. The comments above are spot on. Last season we played well and lost. This time we are not playing as well as we can, but we are still picking up points. All the teams in this league will have poor periods. Who would have predicted Shrews to drop points aginst NCounty or Wycombe to have to rely on a late goal just to get a point at Grimsby? These things happen in football. If it didn't and the game was played on paper, it would be boring. tornshaunton's suggestion is good. We know we are higher than last season by getting to 19 points after just 10 games. However, to see it in a comparison graph would be interesting. The only thing I would add is this. To date we have only played two teams in the top 8. One was a loss at Shrewsbury and the other a comprehensive win against Exeter. We have also beaten both Rochdale & Port Vale, who were expected to do well. The next couple of months are going to be very interesting as we are due to play Darlington, Wycombe & Rotherham away and home games against Gillingham, Bury & Chesterfield. This is when we will learn how much we have improved. Still annoyed that we have to play 4 games in 10 days (5 games in the space of 14 days), starting with Gills this Saturday and finishing with Bury two weeks today (Barnet the following Saturday). My prediction for what it's worth; we will beat Gills, lose at Darlo, draw at Grimsby, draw with Bury and win against Barnet. Will 8 points from those 5 games be enough?

I'm annoyed too as i'm away on holiday and so my next home game after Saturday will be 25th November assuming I can make it on a tuesday night, otherwise it's 6th December which seems a long way off first week in October! Good job the season tickets are so cheap!

i wish that some of your negative vibes could be obliterated. FACT. over in Leeds they are saying 20pts from 10 games= promotion.on this site moaners are forgetting city have 19pts from 10 games= average. conclusion being we have a crap team/manager/trainer
/fan basis. sorry lads but my glass is half full not half empty.

audal wrote:
i wish that some of your negative vibes could be obliterated. FACT. over in Leeds they are saying 20pts from 10 games= promotion.on this site moaners are forgetting city have 19pts from 10 games= average. conclusion being we have a crap team/manager/trainer /fan basis. sorry lads but my glass is half full not half empty.

good shout and spot on mate... as long as we get the points i dont care how we do it. Aim is to get out of this league and thats it!!!

Waynus wrote:
Can I just add that the above is not to be read as negativity. It isn't me having a go at the players or McCall, I am just saying he is wrong to suggest we weren't as bad as we were. We were poor for 30 minutes after their 2nd goal and equal to Accrington for the first 50. However, we showed what we can do to teams in that last 10 minutes. The comments above are spot on. Last season we played well and lost. This time we are not playing as well as we can, but we are still picking up points. All the teams in this league will have poor periods. Who would have predicted Shrews to drop points aginst NCounty or Wycombe to have to rely on a late goal just to get a point at Grimsby? These things happen in football. If it didn't and the game was played on paper, it would be boring. tornshaunton's suggestion is good. We know we are higher than last season by getting to 19 points after just 10 games. However, to see it in a comparison graph would be interesting. The only thing I would add is this. To date we have only played two teams in the top 8. One was a loss at Shrewsbury and the other a comprehensive win against Exeter. We have also beaten both Rochdale & Port Vale, who were expected to do well. The next couple of months are going to be very interesting as we are due to play Darlington, Wycombe & Rotherham away and home games against Gillingham, Bury & Chesterfield. This is when we will learn how much we have improved. Still annoyed that we have to play 4 games in 10 days (5 games in the space of 14 days), starting with Gills this Saturday and finishing with Bury two weeks today (Barnet the following Saturday). My prediction for what it's worth; we will beat Gills, lose at Darlo, draw at Grimsby, draw with Bury and win against Barnet. Will 8 points from those 5 games be enough?

Just looked at the next few games on your post, as a City fan i obviously hope we win thm all, as a realist and due to recent form, home especially, i think we will draw with Gills, lose at Darlo,draw at Grimsby,lose to Bury and beat Barnet.
As for Lee, Clarke & Mclaren, to be honest they have looked out of their depth in most of the games ive seen this season!!
God knows why we've Dyer on trial when we clearly need a leader at the back and a midfielder

BBC STATS state that Bradford had 44% posession v Accringtons 56%. They had shots 7 on target and 4 off, whereas we had 6 on and 7 off. Still felt we were poor. does anyone else remember the booking of Colbeck for dissent. The ref had to call Lee over to talk to him. Surely Lee should have intervened automatically as the Captain. Those are leadership qualities. Personally the game was strange and for much it did feel like a defeat. A remarkable recovery.

Halifax Bantam wrote:

Waynus wrote:
Can I just add that the above is not to be read as negativity. It isn't me having a go at the players or McCall, I am just saying he is wrong to suggest we weren't as bad as we were. We were poor for 30 minutes after their 2nd goal and equal to Accrington for the first 50. However, we showed what we can do to teams in that last 10 minutes. The comments above are spot on. Last season we played well and lost. This time we are not playing as well as we can, but we are still picking up points. All the teams in this league will have poor periods. Who would have predicted Shrews to drop points aginst NCounty or Wycombe to have to rely on a late goal just to get a point at Grimsby? These things happen in football. If it didn't and the game was played on paper, it would be boring. tornshaunton's suggestion is good. We know we are higher than last season by getting to 19 points after just 10 games. However, to see it in a comparison graph would be interesting. The only thing I would add is this. To date we have only played two teams in the top 8. One was a loss at Shrewsbury and the other a comprehensive win against Exeter. We have also beaten both Rochdale & Port Vale, who were expected to do well. The next couple of months are going to be very interesting as we are due to play Darlington, Wycombe & Rotherham away and home games against Gillingham, Bury & Chesterfield. This is when we will learn how much we have improved. Still annoyed that we have to play 4 games in 10 days (5 games in the space of 14 days), starting with Gills this Saturday and finishing with Bury two weeks today (Barnet the following Saturday). My prediction for what it's worth; we will beat Gills, lose at Darlo, draw at Grimsby, draw with Bury and win against Barnet. Will 8 points from those 5 games be enough?

Just looked at the next few games on your post, as a City fan i obviously hope we win thm all, as a realist and due to recent form, home especially, i think we will draw with Gills, lose at Darlo,draw at Grimsby,lose to Bury and beat Barnet.
As for Lee, Clarke & Mclaren, to be honest they have looked out of their depth in most of the games ive seen this season!!
God knows why we've Dyer on trial when we clearly need a leader at the back and a midfielder

I don't agree our form is as bad as you make out, especially given your predictions.

However, I think you are spot on with your comments aimed towards Dyer being on loan and the kind of players we should be looking at.

audal wrote:
i wish that some of your negative vibes could be obliterated. FACT. over in Leeds they are saying 20pts from 10 games= promotion.on this site moaners are forgetting city have 19pts from 10 games= average. conclusion being we have a crap team/manager/trainer

/fan basis. sorry lads but my glass is half full not half empty.

Well said Audal. I think some people think we have to play champagne football in order to get promotion. The facts are that we don't. If we continue picking up points as we are, we WILL be there or there abouts.

Add to that, more consistent form as we are capable of, getting injured players back (Bower & Bully to name just 2) and a couple of acquisitions in January transfer window, we will get promotion.

For the record, Wycombe (1st) couldn't beat Morecambe at home or Grimsby away.

Brentford (3rd) couldn't beat Lincoln at home or County away.

Bury (5th) couldn't beat Chester away and lost at home to Exeter AND

Shrewsbury (6th) lost at home to Port Vale and Morecambe away. They also failed to beat County or Chester away.

Are their fans giving their teams stick for not playing well or for dropping points?? You bet they're not!

Said it was discraceful the way he lambasted his team on air.
At least he has the b@lls to appologise.
Even if he is a poor coach

Waynus wrote:

Halifax Bantam wrote:

Waynus wrote: Can I just add that the above is not to be read as negativity. It isn't me having a go at the players or McCall, I am just saying he is wrong to suggest we weren't as bad as we were. We were poor for 30 minutes after their 2nd goal and equal to Accrington for the first 50. However, we showed what we can do to teams in that last 10 minutes. The comments above are spot on. Last season we played well and lost. This time we are not playing as well as we can, but we are still picking up points. All the teams in this league will have poor periods. Who would have predicted Shrews to drop points aginst NCounty or Wycombe to have to rely on a late goal just to get a point at Grimsby? These things happen in football. If it didn't and the game was played on paper, it would be boring. tornshaunton's suggestion is good. We know we are higher than last season by getting to 19 points after just 10 games. However, to see it in a comparison graph would be interesting. The only thing I would add is this. To date we have only played two teams in the top 8. One was a loss at Shrewsbury and the other a comprehensive win against Exeter. We have also beaten both Rochdale & Port Vale, who were expected to do well. The next couple of months are going to be very interesting as we are due to play Darlington, Wycombe & Rotherham away and home games against Gillingham, Bury & Chesterfield. This is when we will learn how much we have improved. Still annoyed that we have to play 4 games in 10 days (5 games in the space of 14 days), starting with Gills this Saturday and finishing with Bury two weeks today (Barnet the following Saturday). My prediction for what it's worth; we will beat Gills, lose at Darlo, draw at Grimsby, draw with Bury and win against Barnet. Will 8 points from those 5 games be enough?

Just looked at the next few games on your post, as a City fan i obviously hope we win thm all, as a realist and due to recent form, home especially, i think we will draw with Gills, lose at Darlo,draw at Grimsby,lose to Bury and beat Barnet. As for Lee, Clarke & Mclaren, to be honest they have looked out of their depth in most of the games ive seen this season!! God knows why we've Dyer on trial when we clearly need a leader at the back and a midfielder

I don't agree our form is as bad as you make out, especially given your predictions. However, I think you are spot on with your comments aimed towards Dyer being on loan and the kind of players we should be looking at.

Our form is bad at the moment mate, teams wont let us play the way we like down the wings and we dont have the players to change our style, Gills will play the same system as Bournemouth and Luton because it works against us, they have a massive striker in Mcgammon who will cause no end of problems for slack two, the fact is we look like conceeding goals in every game,and thats a big concern.

Halifax Bantam, todays story may explain to you why Dyer is on trial.