shame we couldn't hold on. they were a good side and it would have a been a decent scalp. with benfit of hindsight maybe we should have taken a winger off and bolstered midfield. thought furman was MOM. did some great work. didn't understand the Willy sub. surely not the right choice at that time? I just hope it doesn't make the anti Willey supporters even more so.

Evans largely blameless?

He is totally blameless, clumsy oaf's in front of him letting him and us down.

Defending like we did against 10 men without a away win for a year means we will struggle to do anything of note unless things are changed rapidly.

There has to be some hammering home of how to kill a game when hanging on, there is no need to camp in on the edge of your own 18 yard box, gt the ball up top and hold it, maybe even have a chance or two.

Lumping it forward in the air with no real idea of who / where to is not the way forward.

Willy Topp, our saviour ??

I reckon he was on the pitch for 20 seconds, before the Gills got their equaliser - what a lucky charm he is !

But, he had 7 minutes of normal time, and about 6 minutes of injury time, to make an impact. In that time, he lost the ball at least 3 times, but I was glad to see he didn't try any of that fancy football. 5 Minutes into injury time, he got his chance, fell perfectly for him, 15 yards out, right in front of goal, unmarked, a great opportunity for him to get us 3 points, to hit the headlines, to shut up all his critics, to stake a claim for a first team place - the result,,,,,, the supporters in row Z had to dodge his shot.
Can we please now stop going on about this football wonderboy on our bench.
Taxi for Topp !!!

topp less:Price less and , not long before he is JOB LESS.

He hasn't got it:full sTOPP.

I too thought Furman was MOM,all action performance,on the debit side
talk about shooting one self in the preverbial foot, 2-0 up at half time at home simply not good enough Sunday league defending for first goal.

Darlo tommorrow night quick chance to redress the balance of literally "Giving Away" two points!!.

Looking at the league table, I am more convinced than ever what a poor quality league this is.

IF only BCFC were capable of sustaining their "Twenty Minutes" of playing over a longer period of time,who knows where they would be,then again are they good enough to do so??

Onwards & Upwards!!

Very dissapointed we couldnt beat ten men,seen their goals on television and thought Lee and Clarke were mainly responsible.After first few games thought they looked rock solid what on earth has happened!!! look like they couldnt tackle a decent sunday lunch at the moment.
Password turn fill how apt turn clarkey and fill our net.

Johsay wrote:
Evans largely blameless? He is totally blameless, clumsy oaf's in front of him letting him and us down. Defending like we did against 10 men without a away win for a year means we will struggle to do anything of note unless things are changed rapidly. There has to be some hammering home of how to kill a game when hanging on, there is no need to camp in on the edge of your own 18 yard box, gt the ball up top and hold it, maybe even have a chance or two. Lumping it forward in the air with no real idea of who / where to is not the way forward.

I could not agree more with the above comment! I can, hand on heart, say i dont think i have ever been as disappointed with the way city played and capitulated against ten men as they did yesterday! I honestly think that the concept of looking into the loan market, for a couple of centre halves until our first choice two recoup some of the form they had at the beginning of the season, no longer sounds like a bad idea!

We will NOT get promoted, until a bit of calmness, composure and a want to use an advantage is instilled into these players! The amount of times yesterday, when although a man to the good, the ball, whilst in our possession was volleyed, headed or lumped up field, where we simply gave the ball back to the opposition was beyond frustrating! McCall needs to be practising getting the ball down on the floor in training, killing it and making a simple pass, and fining anyone who plays a bloody glory ball!

Whoever picked lee for man of the match must have been watching a different game i'm afraid, the bad thing is, he is a good defender, he's showed that, yesterday he was playing like Bower just spraying the ball up field, with no real aim or direction! We need to go back to how we were at the beginning of the season, simple passes and building up from the back. We have the better players in this league, we need to go back to playing our game, nobody else's!

Is it me, or do all the teams that come to V.P. play better football than we do, ball control and man to man passing ?

Who the hell picked the MOM, was Leftwan&ing or Skippy sponsoring the game? Furman without doubt and he wasn't excellent, just very busy and the only one that seems to be able to keep possesion and calm things down slightly.

With regards to their equaliser, this is what I thought I saw from the TL Dallas stand. Goal kick from Evans Conlon did not challenge and header straight back down our throats and the defense were awful. If anyone was closer please let me know if I am wrong. From my view Conlon should have been challenging for it, if not why have him on the pitch when everyone seems to think that is his strength?

The referee also seemed to throw to fists in the air in celebration when we made it 2-0. The red card did not seem like a red card to me either, just a strong fair challenge. Wonder if the ref had us on his accumalator..

I know it can be hard to play against 10 men but should not be to difficult to stop them.

The guy they splashed 150k on looked a decent laker, but annoyed me when he gave our end the finger. Hope he loses a weeks wage after my offial complaint lol...

I can see the problem loud and clear, even if the coaching staff can't. When you have a player in the form of Clarke, you WILL lump it upfield. 'Get it as far away from him as you can' attitude.

As it says in the report above, Lee WAS playing well and didn't seem to have any problems. Then a couple of gaffs from Clarke and Lee (& Moncur for that matter), went to pieces. I have just watched the highlights again and both goals were from Clarke errors and poor defending from Lee.

The problem is clearly identified in the above interview. "It’s the first time I’ve played live on TV so I’m looking forward to it – and hopefully we’ll get plenty of copies of the game if we get the right result.”

How the f#ck can he be so confident of playing on Monday night? He knows he isn't going to be replaced and THAT IS OUR PROBLEM!

Let's put it this way, I would be more confident of beating Darlo if Clarke was in their team on Monday night instead of ours!

As for the diatribe being dished out to Topp AGAIN, it just shows that some of you have no knowledge of football. You all post that we played the long ball then wonder why Topp didn't get chance to get on the ball. That's hardly fair. As for 'his chance', the ball came to him quickly and their defence chased it out. He swung a boot at it and it almost went in. If it had, it wouldn't have changed anyone's opinion of him, just as the miss shouldn't either.

Moncur is more then comfartable at the back as we all know. So how about him back in there with Lee which will give us some needed pace and Arnison back on the right. Just a thought and will kick out the complacency.

fantum wrote:
Is it me, or do all the teams that come to V.P. play better football than we do, ball control and man to man passing ?

I agree, we seem to be relying on hit and hope. also with 2 wingers there seems to be some imbalance in the team. I wonder if at halftime SM told Mclaren to sit in front of our defence. leaving Furman as our only midfield player. for my money Daley doesn't track back enough and leaves us exposed to the counter.

Lets face it, Gillingham played some decent stuff and in my opinion deservered a draw at least. We have to be asking questions of the coaching staff as both were defenders so should at least be able to coach in that department? either the players are not good enough,not listening in training or able to correct the mistakes they are making. so changes must be made.
As for Billy the only way he is going to get match fit and sharp is to play,we cant be judging him on a few minutes of play as a sub each week. I think he should be sent out on loan for a bit and hopefully that will help his game.

Thanks Waynus for saying what I was about to say about Willy. 22 years old and in a foreign land. Trying his best to break into the first team. First money signing for 6 years or so. Pressure on him must be immense. Get off his back and support the team.

I thought Gillingham were one of the better sides we've seen at VP. We looked good in the latter part of the first half. We should be pleased by this. Also although Colbeck struggled in the 2nd half, he still scored a cracker and made me proud to be a city fan.

Let's see what happens on monday. CTID

Agree about the loan thing for Willy Topp, Rick. Only drama with that is that if he goes somewhere else in the last year of his contract, he may not come back. Though some fans might only see this as a good thing.

Looking forward to Monday, either way it goes.

Our central defender pairing have cost us the points yet again I'm afraid. They lack pace & brains & are constantly being dragged out of position. Neither look capable of organising a car boot sale let alone the back four. We need talkers & leaders at the back not bewildered door mice. Both are capable of a lot better but it's just not happening - no wonder Stuart was enquiring about Darren Moore. Don't think a Bower recall will make much difference either, wonder if Wethers fancies a game - saw him out jogging the other day!

Willy - excuses,,,

he should he be played because we paid money for him??

he should be played because he's in a foreign land??

he should be played because he's only 22???

he should be played because he's homesick??

he should be played because he's not going to get fit unless he plays first team football????

excuses excuses excuses.

He should play in the first team when he is good enough, not before (and right now, he isn't) quit with the cr@p.

Having seen the red card again from a side view I think the ref may have got the dangerous play right.

how anybody can even point the finger at Topp just shows how much you know about football!! how he can be responsible for sloppy defending???

unlike some i appreciate mccall is still learning the trade and i hope he stays at city for years and we climb the leagues and he takes us...what better way of that happening and by that i mean actually build the club up to what it can be slowly...these things dont happen over night and i dont think people realise just how bad of a state we were when he came back.
These things dont happen ever night but i'm sure we will get back to where we should be but obviosuly mistakes will be made along the way and we all need to be patien and we cant expect us to win every week.

CTID

Waynus wrote:
I can see the problem loud and clear, even if the coaching staff can't. When you have a player in the form of Clarke, you WILL lump it upfield. 'Get it as far away from him as you can' attitude. As it says in the report above, Lee WAS playing well and didn't seem to have any problems. Then a couple of gaffs from Clarke and Lee (& Moncur for that matter), went to pieces. I have just watched the highlights again and both goals were from Clarke errors and poor defending from Lee. The problem is clearly identified in the above interview. "It’s the first time I’ve played live on TV so I’m looking forward to it – and hopefully we’ll get plenty of copies of the game if we get the right result.” How the f#ck can he be so confident of playing on Monday night? He knows he isn't going to be replaced and THAT IS OUR PROBLEM! Let's put it this way, I would be more confident of beating Darlo if Clarke was in their team on Monday night instead of ours! As for the diatribe being dished out to Topp AGAIN, it just shows that some of you have no knowledge of football. You all post that we played the long ball then wonder why Topp didn't get chance to get on the ball. That's hardly fair. As for 'his chance', the ball came to him quickly and their defence chased it out. He swung a boot at it and it almost went in. If it had, it wouldn't have changed anyone's opinion of him, just as the miss shouldn't either.

Waynus, how two face are you?
I had a dig at Mcalaren the other day and you tell me to get off his back and show him some support, but it's ok for you to slate Clarke???

Lee, Clarke & Moncur were shocking the whole game, it's not just Clarke who lumps it forward, Lee see's more of the ball than any defender and lumps it out of play 8/10 times!!

Good bit of quality play from Mclaren for the 2nd goal(see i will praise him when he deserves it!!) shame he was non existant for the rest of the game, Furman was outstanding, considering he was doing Mclarens share of running and tacking!!

Heard Mccall's interview after game saying he needs someone who's comfotable on the ball and who can pick out the right passes, isnt that exactly what he said Mclaren would do for us when he signed him??? Drop him and sign someone who brings more to the team than two passes a game.

Moncur is nothing like the player he was last season, send him back and look elsewhere, right back has been a major problem for us since Simon Francis left.

Great finnish by Colbeck but he and Daley were dissapointing again, Boulding Looked very ordinary, lumping the ball at him isn't his game.

All in all a very bad day out, starting to worry a little bit about Mccall!!

Soft game played by soft girls. Non League obscurity beckons.

Yes I'm stating to worry about McCall! But some fans stick their head in the sand cos he's a city legend! Which he is! But if you say anything to criticise you just get told to to stop being negative and give him time. Well this is his team. 9 out of 11 who started were his signings. And maybe instead of go-karting we should be working on basic defending and quality ball retention! Confidence is low and you can see it in the way players (Apart from Furman) treat the ball like a hot spud! We can't really point at a huge injury list either! Although I'm looking forward to see Brandon back in the new year. So Halifax Bantam. McCall is above criticism to some fans!!

On another subject Mr Topp! How can he be judged on that 10 mins on the pitch? Had we had Rooney up front yesterday he probably wouldn't have made a difference with the poor service the strikres were getting! The linesman must have got cramp in his arm the amount of offsides! Loan Topp out and give him the games. Then judge him.

Halifax Bantam wrote:

Waynus wrote:
I can see the problem loud and clear, even if the coaching staff can't. When you have a player in the form of Clarke, you WILL lump it upfield. 'Get it as far away from him as you can' attitude. As it says in the report above, Lee WAS playing well and didn't seem to have any problems. Then a couple of gaffs from Clarke and Lee (& Moncur for that matter), went to pieces. I have just watched the highlights again and both goals were from Clarke errors and poor defending from Lee. The problem is clearly identified in the above interview. "It’s the first time I’ve played live on TV so I’m looking forward to it – and hopefully we’ll get plenty of copies of the game if we get the right result.” How the f#ck can he be so confident of playing on Monday night? He knows he isn't going to be replaced and THAT IS OUR PROBLEM! Let's put it this way, I would be more confident of beating Darlo if Clarke was in their team on Monday night instead of ours! As for the diatribe being dished out to Topp AGAIN, it just shows that some of you have no knowledge of football. You all post that we played the long ball then wonder why Topp didn't get chance to get on the ball. That's hardly fair. As for 'his chance', the ball came to him quickly and their defence chased it out. He swung a boot at it and it almost went in. If it had, it wouldn't have changed anyone's opinion of him, just as the miss shouldn't either.

Waynus, how two face are you?
I had a dig at Mcalaren the other day and you tell me to get off his back and show him some support, but it's ok for you to slate Clarke???

Lee, Clarke & Moncur were shocking the whole game, it's not just Clarke who lumps it forward, Lee see's more of the ball than any defender and lumps it out of play 8/10 times!!

Good bit of quality play from Mclaren for the 2nd goal(see i will praise him when he deserves it!!) shame he was non existant for the rest of the game, Furman was outstanding, considering he was doing Mclarens share of running and tacking!!

Heard Mccall's interview after game saying he needs someone who's comfotable on the ball and who can pick out the right passes, isnt that exactly what he said Mclaren would do for us when he signed him??? Drop him and sign someone who brings more to the team than two passes a game.

Moncur is nothing like the player he was last season, send him back and look elsewhere, right back has been a major problem for us since Simon Francis left.

Great finnish by Colbeck but he and Daley were dissapointing again, Boulding Looked very ordinary, lumping the ball at him isn't his game.

All in all a very bad day out, starting to worry a little bit about Mccall!!

Fair point Halifax Bantam, but I disagree with most of the rest of your post. In the first half, McLaren and Furman were winning everything in the middle. Admittedly, they were the better team for the first 15 minutes, but then the two of them took over (and when I say the two of them, I include McLaren in that). As for saying Colbeck & Daley were disappointing, when they had the ball, they looked dangerous, The problem, as you yourself eluded to, was the fact the back four kept lumping it upfield and the strikers being caught offside. Hardly the fault of our wingers!

I do agree with your statement re Moncur, though didn't think he was all that last season either. Maybe I was biased and wanted us to get Doyle back on loan (and still do), but I didn't rate TJ then and still don't. I know Arni has his knockers, but I'd rather him in my team any day.

Finally, I slated Clarke for his defensive performance NOT his distribution. I would rather any of our defenders get rid of the ball than try to play football and lose it. Lee WAS playing okay and was clearing everything thrown at him (in the air and on the ground). However, he had calamity beside him and it eventually dragged him down too.

Watch the video again. Clarke came out of the back four trying to win the ball, got caught out of position and their lad just skipped past him and then Lee to score. Their second goal was scored when once again Clarke went for a tackle missed it and Southall played a pass through for Jackson. Lee came across to try to cover his defensive partner, realised he wasn't going to catch him and tried to slide-tackle him. He missed and Clarke was still trying to get back.

As someone else suggested above. Leave him on the bench and hopefully the hurt of missing the game against Darlo may wake him up. Give Bower his position, if fit, or move TJ across. Get Arni back into the side at right back and hopefully we may just look a little stronger.

Personally, I thought OB had a good game and can't understand the negative comments from Simon Parker. What good is he getting forward when the man usually in front of you, Daley, isn't going to use you as an overlap and instead will just do his own thing?

Spenvalleyspartan wrote:
Yes I'm stating to worry about McCall! But some fans stick their head in the sand cos he's a city legend! Which he is! But if you say anything to criticise you just get told to to stop being negative and give him time. Well this is his team. 9 out of 11 who started were his signings. And maybe instead of go-karting we should be working on basic defending and quality ball retention! Confidence is low and you can see it in the way players (Apart from Furman) treat the ball like a hot spud! We can't really point at a huge injury list either! Although I'm looking forward to see Brandon back in the new year. So Halifax Bantam. McCall is above criticism to some fans!!

Nine out of ten were his signings??

Evans - McCall
TJ - McCall (loan)
OB - Youth
Lee - McCall
Clarke -Todd
Colbeck - Youth
Daley - Todd
Furman - McCall (loan)
McLaren - McCall
Boulding - McCall
Thorne - McCall

As you can clearly see from the above, McCall has only signed 7 of those players and 2 of them are only here on loan. Two have come through the ranks and the other 2 were Todd signings. It is one of those Todd signings that is currently dropping us points.

You can't blame McCall for that, or can you? Obviously with some of you lot, you can! The fact is, when we train we play pass and move. When we prepare for the games, the players are told to pass short and move for the return pass. They don't get told to hoof it up field. It is the players that decide to do that and I can only assume it is because of the lack of confidence in our back four. They just want shut of the ball.

Regrettably, McCall's problem is that he put all his eggs in one basket. He pushed the boat out to get Boulding. As a result, we don't have money left to get in players where we desperately need them, central defence.

Bren Bradford, says...
10:19am Sun 19 Oct 08
Good Grief here we go again. With the exception of Waynus,you are all at it again ! 3 points from the top of the league is NOT mediocrity ! Having the top scorer in the division is NOT mediocrity ! (10 goals in 11 games !)

Barnet beat Rotherham at Rotherham 4-3 yesterday. No one has a divine right to beat ANY team in this division. Did you really expect it to be a walk in the park this year? Get real ! Its going to be tough so get behind them and get off their backs. For Gods sake we are one win from being joint league leaders and have won as many games as anyone in league 2 . Such mediocrity ! NOT !

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Well said Bren. The only thing you could have added to the above is the fact that Rotherham didn't just lose at home to Barnet (one of the poorest teams in the league), they were playing most of the game 11 men against 10. If we play poorly against 10 men, we get berated by our own fans. At least we didn't get beat by a woeful side who were down to 10 men. I bet Rotherham's fans aren't being so doom & gloom about their season to date!

In an interview reported todat Thorne says we have taken our foot off the gas too many times in teh second half this season.

What does that mena:does it mean players are coasting so they can last 90 minutes? does it mean that theya re getting complacent?

does it mean that the players are ignoring managerial advice? does it mean that management are telling them to ease up?

What exactly does it mena and tell us about the current team and management.

Come on you so called experts :tell us all what Thorne means and explain why the whole team is doing that?

More to the point do you think it is a true statement.

He wasnt happy on Saturday at being subbed, neither was he happy at the goal we conceded, having a right go at Lee? I think before the kick off.

No doubt he will be rested tonight, as we play 4-5-1. With Barry on his own.

security words 'shot-wild'- quite apt given the blazing over the bar near the end.

My thoughts for what they are worth are that the big crowd is almost counting aganist us at times. Hudders are saying the same although they call it homophobia (can't win at home!). Gillingham came at us for the first 15 minutes and did a decent job - by which time the ground had gone silent and they'd effectively got the upper hand. There's not much we can do about it, but of course if we started scoring early goals, we could benefit from the feeling of happy fans.

Someone on a previous post mentioned dropping boulders. My opinion is that he's trying as hard as he can - chasing everything down and making good runs, but the style of football we're playing isn't suiting him. He gets at best a couple of chances per game i've seen. While he will still score, it seems funny that we'd have such a natural goalscorer and not make more use of him.

I also think Joe needs to stay out wide more rather than drifting in to the middle - when TJ made his runs was when we were most dangerous looking on saturday, but that should have been Joe - as TJ's crossing needs a bit of work.

Also think that the criticism levelled at centre backs is a little unfair. Yes, they're not playing as well as at the start of the season, but teams have now got in to their stride and will be applying more attacking pressure than in early games. We're also using two very inexperienced full backs which will be having a slight effect too (although I think they both look very promising)

All in all, i'm not too worried as we're still in a good position so please don't anybody talk about getting rid of Stu - did anyone hear Stan ternent on the radio? We don't want someone like him in charge do we?

it's hardly panic stations lads we are hardly in danger of being relegated and we have every chance to gain promotion but some people seem intent on critiscing everything that goes on...we could win 6-1 tonight and people will still complain we conceeded!!!

These people who whine obviously haven't been going for the last 6 years cos its like watching Brazil compared to the performances i've witnessed over recent years....i'm just glad i dont live your lifes!!!!

tyker wrote:
In an interview reported todat Thorne says we have taken our foot off the gas too many times in teh second half this season.

What does that mena:does it mean players are coasting so they can last 90 minutes? does it mean that theya re getting complacent?

does it mean that the players are ignoring managerial advice? does it mean that management are telling them to ease up?

What exactly does it mena and tell us about the current team and management.

Come on you so called experts :tell us all what Thorne means and explain why the whole team is doing that?

More to the point do you think it is a true statement.

Half time pizza?

Nobody is talking of getting rid of Stu mate, just a little dissapointed by some HIS signings so far:

EVANS, ok,goals not really his fault, kicking is wayward.

ARNISON, not bad on the ball, however he's a defender and his not very good at that.

MONCUR, might as well go back to Fulham now.

LEE, is too slow,and distribution poor. he's no leader on the pitch.

McLAREN, shows in the odd touch some very good quality, however he has no energy or pace about his game,doesnt get into oppo's faces, cant tackle,cant head a ball.

FURMAN, looks the part, Great energy, good in the tackle, tracks back, gets forward well, final ball not the best sometimes though.

THORNE, Great signing, not sure where the goals would come from for us if his back kept him for a period.

CONLON, a trier and comitted,better strikers available in pre season though.

BOULDING, looks goood whe we keep ball on floor,desnt look dangerous enough around the box though, not sure if he was worth all that chasing in the summer, only time will tell.

Cant believe how poor we look defensively, havent seen a game this season where we dont look like conceeding goals.

I think what Thorne means is that we come out too apprehensive(1st & 2nd half in most cases), we dont attack from the off and let the oppo settle and start to find gaps because we're not closing down enough. When your two nil up you know the oppo will try and come at you for the first 10mins the key is ball winning and retention, not enough ball winners or leaders in or team.

Where is the interview with Thorne?

What really gets me is the morons I have to sit near on a Saturday.

Boo and jeer when the ball goes to McLaren, Lee, Clarke and Evans, admittedly we dont go anywhere (issue with movement and people wanting the ball?) so they start to jeer because we are not going forward.

So what do we do? Lump it aimlessly forward, sadly it's usually two of the worst passers of the ball I have seen (Clarke and Lee).

Thus it comes back to us, usually balls are too far above Barry, or he wins it and no one is there, Thorne cant get to the high balls, and we dont play it anywhere near Boulding's strength.

We broke the bank to get Boulders, quite why we are not tailoring our style to take advantage of this brilliant proven striker is beyond me.

Halifax Bantam...agree with most comments above, however we cant blame Boulding that Mansfield created more chances for him then we do?

Johnsay, I dont think we broke the bank for Boulding, we stood firm and that is why he only signed on the 11th hour.

From what I read above, we have no money left as Boulders is on a good crust?

keeponclucking wrote:
Our central defender pairing have cost us the points yet again I'm afraid. They lack pace & brains & are constantly being dragged out of position. Neither look capable of organising a car boot sale let alone the back four. We need talkers & leaders at the back not bewildered door mice. Both are capable of a lot better but it's just not happening - no wonder Stuart was enquiring about Darren Moore. Don't think a Bower recall will make much difference either, wonder if Wethers fancies a game - saw him out jogging the other day!

b-wildered thats a name from the past,looks like the management and team are more than b-wildered.

interview with Thorne:

page 70 daily mail

quesyion:#
pete. one for yourself.yet you were pegged back to 2-2. What happened?

reported response from Pete:
Gillingham were down to 10 men at2-12,so there's no reasonwhy we should have drawn. We've taken our foot off the gas in the second half on a few occasions. We're playing at Darlington tonight, so we'll be anxious to make sure that doesn't happen again.

tyker wrote:
interview with Thorne: page 70 daily mail quesyion:# pete. one for yourself.yet you were pegged back to 2-2. What happened? reported response from Pete: Gillingham were down to 10 men at2-12,so there's no reasonwhy we should have drawn. We've taken our foot off the gas in the second half on a few occasions. We're playing at Darlington tonight, so we'll be anxious to make sure that doesn't happen again.

poor performance after poor performance from the back four, its simply not good enough.
stuart mccall has to take charge of his team and fast, again city were lumping the ball up field to no one, getting caught in possetion too many times, and giving needless free kicks away, and another live game on sky and city lose yet again. i now firmly belive city will not gain promotion this season because they are simply not good enough, i know you lot will slate me and say its only early but surly you can see it your selfs, this league is just too good for us and i dont belive stuart is good enough to make the right decisions to get us out of this mess were in. if you belive other wise then im affraid you are just kidding your selfs. look at it this way, city would be bottom half of the league if 3 teams hadnt been deducted points, now come one lads come and say the usual bile that city are the best team in the league. because we simply are not.................

shawzy idle supporters wrote:

tyker wrote:
interview with Thorne: page 70 daily mail quesyion:# pete. one for yourself.yet you were pegged back to 2-2. What happened? reported response from Pete: Gillingham were down to 10 men at2-12,so there's no reasonwhy we should have drawn. We've taken our foot off the gas in the second half on a few occasions. We're playing at Darlington tonight, so we'll be anxious to make sure that doesn't happen again.

poor performance after poor performance from the back four, its simply not good enough.
stuart mccall has to take charge of his team and fast, again city were lumping the ball up field to no one, getting caught in possetion too many times, and giving needless free kicks away, and another live game on sky and city lose yet again. i now firmly belive city will not gain promotion this season because they are simply not good enough, i know you lot will slate me and say its only early but surly you can see it your selfs, this league is just too good for us and i dont belive stuart is good enough to make the right decisions to get us out of this mess were in. if you belive other wise then im affraid you are just kidding your selfs. look at it this way, city would be bottom half of the league if 3 teams hadnt been deducted points, now come one lads come and say the usual bile that city are the best team in the league. because we simply are not.................

No Shawzy, we are not the best team in the league. The table shows were are the 6th best team in the league. As for "look at it this way, city would be bottom half of the league if 3 teams hadnt been deducted points" is a load of tosh.

We are on 20 points from 12 games.
Rotherham would have had 19 points, Bournemouth 10 points and Luton 12 points. Hardly moving us down to the bottom half of the table.

Glass half empty again Shawzy?